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James West's avatar

I believe that your sermon gave me the means to finally leave Woulda Shoulda Oughta Couldaville behind.

Fleming Rutledge's avatar

I'm not sure I understood most of this, but this I understand. I just changed one word.

Behold, I tell you a great mystery!

All events, A-Y, precede the final Event, Z, when Christ will be all in all things. And yet, Z is the very ground and destiny of every event that came before it.

Jason Micheli's avatar

Yeah, it’s a struggle to take the claims in those epistle verses straightforwardly and make them comprehensible. Though, I think the gospel has to be so cosmic and supremely good it’s beyond our grasp.

Jason Micheli's avatar

Your edit was good too, BTW :)

Kirsten Basram's avatar

Yes! Nothing else makes sense. God is not God unless all can be healed. Thank you so much.

Chris Nye's avatar

This was a *remarkable* sermon, Jason. Wow. I’ll be listening and reading again. Thank you.

Susan D  Owens's avatar

A shining gem in this reading…I read for this reason !

Katie Andraski's avatar

Wow. Lots to think on here. But this sounds like a gospel that is better than good. Everything sad will be untrue. Thank you so much.

Aaron Krohn's avatar

Holy shit that’s good.

The wonderful Rutledge helpfully adjusted your “equation”. (I got it with A-Z but I take her point)

But what you wrote is terrific - as always.

Kemp Wiebe's avatar

Thanks, this was really well written. It reminded me of reading Lilith, coming away with a sense of bewilderment and confusion, but hope in a reality that I can barely comprehend.

Should we think of time as unnatural in some way? When Christ happens to time, does it cease to be real?

Aaron Krohn's avatar

Yes! I had the same experience with Lilith. Should read again with this sermon in mind!

Joel Steiner's avatar

Since I heard Chris's interview with Jordan, I've been chewing on the idea of time healed. There is such incredible hope in it.

One needle I can't quite thread yet is the argument from God's goodness. I can't shake the feeling that it is just shifting the location of the challenge to God's goodness. History and all creation healed is breath-taking, and I long for it... but if memory of time unfulfilled still exists--or even if it does--how does the evil now experienced even penultimately not offend God's goodness?

Looking forward to getting Jordan's book and rereading Maximus.

Regardless, thank you: Joe Magina once said something to the effect that: to do theology, to speak of God faithfully, at some point we all risk heresy: the question is just which ones. Thanks for helping us stretch further into the goodness of God!

Joel Steiner's avatar

*--or even if it doesn't--

John Grinnell's avatar

Could you cite the above quote from Maximus,Jason?

Jason Micheli's avatar

Hi John,

It's a paraphrase of Amb 10.37, 82.

Katie Andraski's avatar

What's a good Maximus translation?

Jan Moye Smith's avatar

A lot to think about here. Thank you for your remarkable perspective, Jason.